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In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
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Re: In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
Literally: the word of the Bible is fact
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Re: In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
Yes Literally: the word of the Bible is fact.
When we read any piece of literature, but especially the Bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate.
This is the only way to determine what God really is trying to communicate to us.
When we read any piece of literature, but especially the Bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate.
This is the only way to determine what God really is trying to communicate to us.

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Re: In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
When the text of the bible is clear, it should be understood literally, as a general rule of good exegesis.
However, Hebrew scripture is interpreted in four levels, Parshat, Remez, D’rash & Sod.
1. The p'shat is the plain, simple meaning of the text.
2. Remez is where another (implied) meaning is alluded to in the text, usually revealling a deeper meaning.
3. D'rash is a teaching or exposition or application of the P'shat and/or Remez.
4. Sod is when there is an understanding that is the hidden, secret or mystic meaning of a text.
Many struggle with Biblical interpretation, but two rules apply...
1. Jesus said that the Jews searched the scriptures because they believed them to be the source of life, but the real message was about Him, and they did not recognize him. So find Jesus in the text and you have the right interpretation.
2. Paul wrote that no one can call Jesus LORD except by the Spirit, and no one speaking by the Spirit will call Him accursed. Therefore we should understand that scripture exalts Jesus in every way, and never denigrates His name.
Blessings,
However, Hebrew scripture is interpreted in four levels, Parshat, Remez, D’rash & Sod.
1. The p'shat is the plain, simple meaning of the text.
2. Remez is where another (implied) meaning is alluded to in the text, usually revealling a deeper meaning.
3. D'rash is a teaching or exposition or application of the P'shat and/or Remez.
4. Sod is when there is an understanding that is the hidden, secret or mystic meaning of a text.
Many struggle with Biblical interpretation, but two rules apply...
1. Jesus said that the Jews searched the scriptures because they believed them to be the source of life, but the real message was about Him, and they did not recognize him. So find Jesus in the text and you have the right interpretation.
2. Paul wrote that no one can call Jesus LORD except by the Spirit, and no one speaking by the Spirit will call Him accursed. Therefore we should understand that scripture exalts Jesus in every way, and never denigrates His name.
Blessings,
Re: In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
I would say Literally.

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Re: In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
Well,
I believe when it comes to certain parts of the text, there may be some room for considering time of event, how easy it would be to have any remaining forms of the document, and reliability for textual retranslational accuracy. As time goes on for any people, their language tends to grow and change, making it harder and harder to translate older documents.
The very first events of time would be so hard to find evidence for the documents or history, depending on how it was kept. Many early people handed down their clan history to their children, sometimes adding their own understanding along with some information passed down. Sometimes that can make an account differ from someone else's account.
Each Family of Jewish people had to keep certain family lines in tact, along with accounts for historical involvement of members of their line. Up until the time of being carried away to Babylon, they had pretty much kept their records in tact, but on their return to their lands, some families had lost their family information and could not prove their lineage. If another related family had some of their account in tact, then they would be rescued. Families who could not prove their lineage mostly ended up in Samaria, one of Israel's free areas for such purposes.
But these family accounts went along with the Torah in most historical accounts and often had to be used to aid in translation of older books by the scribes of the times.
It is often forgotten that these families were responsible for their own family line account. But if you read where they returned to Israel in Nehemiah and Ezra you will find where the leaders were expecting these families to show their accounts as proof.
My thought is that the oldest books may be harder to say how literal they are, given the room for translational mistakes that can naturally occur, but I believe that most of it can be taken seriously. The garden of Eden story is based on inspiration to Moses from God, so that depends on a person's faith in believing, rather than literal acceptance. But most believers will accept it on the same basis as the rest of the Bible, as today, it is wholly and older account which with the passing of time and decomposing of materials in which the text was copied to, becomes harder and harder to offer evidences.
Our society today seems dead set on destroying and pulling the Bible apart because of the "lack of evidence" without owning up to the facts I have just mentioned as to the inability to always preserve materials which once held the text's account. Any disagreements I usually have with anyone concerning such things are usually an attack on the veracity of Biblical accounts.
None will consider the natural order of decomposition of any material which affects many documents that are old and often do not understand how difficult it can be to properly translate old documents which can have many mistakes in them already due to ageing and changing of languages over time.
But I am confident that most of the text has been kept as it should have been, despite what can befall old accounts and other problems like that.
I can't vote either way as I feel the account of Adam and Eve fall somewhere in between literal and metaphorical.
I believe when it comes to certain parts of the text, there may be some room for considering time of event, how easy it would be to have any remaining forms of the document, and reliability for textual retranslational accuracy. As time goes on for any people, their language tends to grow and change, making it harder and harder to translate older documents.
The very first events of time would be so hard to find evidence for the documents or history, depending on how it was kept. Many early people handed down their clan history to their children, sometimes adding their own understanding along with some information passed down. Sometimes that can make an account differ from someone else's account.
Each Family of Jewish people had to keep certain family lines in tact, along with accounts for historical involvement of members of their line. Up until the time of being carried away to Babylon, they had pretty much kept their records in tact, but on their return to their lands, some families had lost their family information and could not prove their lineage. If another related family had some of their account in tact, then they would be rescued. Families who could not prove their lineage mostly ended up in Samaria, one of Israel's free areas for such purposes.
But these family accounts went along with the Torah in most historical accounts and often had to be used to aid in translation of older books by the scribes of the times.
It is often forgotten that these families were responsible for their own family line account. But if you read where they returned to Israel in Nehemiah and Ezra you will find where the leaders were expecting these families to show their accounts as proof.
My thought is that the oldest books may be harder to say how literal they are, given the room for translational mistakes that can naturally occur, but I believe that most of it can be taken seriously. The garden of Eden story is based on inspiration to Moses from God, so that depends on a person's faith in believing, rather than literal acceptance. But most believers will accept it on the same basis as the rest of the Bible, as today, it is wholly and older account which with the passing of time and decomposing of materials in which the text was copied to, becomes harder and harder to offer evidences.
Our society today seems dead set on destroying and pulling the Bible apart because of the "lack of evidence" without owning up to the facts I have just mentioned as to the inability to always preserve materials which once held the text's account. Any disagreements I usually have with anyone concerning such things are usually an attack on the veracity of Biblical accounts.
None will consider the natural order of decomposition of any material which affects many documents that are old and often do not understand how difficult it can be to properly translate old documents which can have many mistakes in them already due to ageing and changing of languages over time.
But I am confident that most of the text has been kept as it should have been, despite what can befall old accounts and other problems like that.
I can't vote either way as I feel the account of Adam and Eve fall somewhere in between literal and metaphorical.
Re: In cases such as Adam and Eve, should the Bible be interpreted literally or metaphorically?
Great post, jding..
..and let's not forget the fact that what we have today is not the Bible a it wa first written and read from for many hundreds of years after the first gospel came into being..which is more or less agreed to have been around 60 years after the death of Christ.
From that point on, more and more "books" began to appear with the passing of time, each telling their own take on the message of Jesus Christ, as related by him to either the writer themselves or someone they knew well or had heard of in recent times.
All sorts of wonderful and, I personally feel, attractive qualities..were attributed to Christ as he grew from a young boy into a man, but we have lost most of these "tales" mainly due to the restructuring that took place in the middle-ages when it was thought that what was the then Bible did not show Christ's divinity enough and made him appear to be too human.
What followed must be the biggest disaster in the history of history itself! It is said that up to one quarter of what was the bible was discarded and edited out of existence, resulting in what we have now. And in order to make sure this was accpted by all, the then pope declared that from that point on, the pope shall be considered "infallible" concerning all things ecclesiastical.
Granted, some of the writings which had been edited out still remain today known as the apolypical gospels and should not be confused with the "Apocrypha", the 14 books of the Old Testament included in the Vulgate (except for II Esdras) but omitted in Jewish and Protestant versions of the Bible. Early eastern Christian churches (except the Coptic Church)..regarded these books as canonical, as do their modern day institutions; as does the Russian Orthodox Church of today..which accepts these texts as divinely inspired but does not grant them the same status.
I am, of course, referring to what are called the "Gnostic" gospels which are, according to the entry in Wikipedia, collections of writings about the teachings of Jesus, written around the 2nd century AD.
The entry in Wikipedia acticle goes on to state that..
"..the name "Christian gnostics" came to represent a segment of the Early Christian community who believed that salvation lay not in merely worshipping Christ, but in psychic or pneumatic souls learning to free themselves from the material world via the revelation. According to this tradition, the answers to spiritual questions are to be found within not without."
It's easy to see how the two became so intertwined when you recall such sayings as "the kindom of God is within each of you. In fact, if current trends are anything to go by, gnostic belief is increasing, even more so within the younger populations of the world..although they seem to peg it under the term of "Goth" or "Occult"..two terms, the roots of which lie in totally different areas entirely.
It seems to be "cool" today to tune into all things paranormal, everything from ghost hunting to ufos..and attach some almost spiritual meaning to the same, when in reality, these things have and always will remain within the paramiters of the world of science, even if viewed as being sudo-science at best.
In short, what we have today in the form of the Bible, is what some thought was the best form of depicting Christ to those they wanted to be "followers" within the confines of the church and we should try to keep this in mind at all times. After all, what we have been handed down to us is nothing more than a written representation of a man like no other who have come before or sinse..a verbal portraiture that has been handed down through the ages..only to re-written by the "ghost writers" of the church into what we have today.
But does it all really matter in the end?
I don't think so..because you either believe in Jesus Christ or you don't..and in both cases the "who did what or when" to the Bible does little to change the fact of how you feel deep inside..and that's how it should be after all, if belief is to have any sort of meaning in this world.
Dan
..and let's not forget the fact that what we have today is not the Bible a it wa first written and read from for many hundreds of years after the first gospel came into being..which is more or less agreed to have been around 60 years after the death of Christ.
From that point on, more and more "books" began to appear with the passing of time, each telling their own take on the message of Jesus Christ, as related by him to either the writer themselves or someone they knew well or had heard of in recent times.
All sorts of wonderful and, I personally feel, attractive qualities..were attributed to Christ as he grew from a young boy into a man, but we have lost most of these "tales" mainly due to the restructuring that took place in the middle-ages when it was thought that what was the then Bible did not show Christ's divinity enough and made him appear to be too human.
What followed must be the biggest disaster in the history of history itself! It is said that up to one quarter of what was the bible was discarded and edited out of existence, resulting in what we have now. And in order to make sure this was accpted by all, the then pope declared that from that point on, the pope shall be considered "infallible" concerning all things ecclesiastical.
Granted, some of the writings which had been edited out still remain today known as the apolypical gospels and should not be confused with the "Apocrypha", the 14 books of the Old Testament included in the Vulgate (except for II Esdras) but omitted in Jewish and Protestant versions of the Bible. Early eastern Christian churches (except the Coptic Church)..regarded these books as canonical, as do their modern day institutions; as does the Russian Orthodox Church of today..which accepts these texts as divinely inspired but does not grant them the same status.
I am, of course, referring to what are called the "Gnostic" gospels which are, according to the entry in Wikipedia, collections of writings about the teachings of Jesus, written around the 2nd century AD.
The entry in Wikipedia acticle goes on to state that..
"..the name "Christian gnostics" came to represent a segment of the Early Christian community who believed that salvation lay not in merely worshipping Christ, but in psychic or pneumatic souls learning to free themselves from the material world via the revelation. According to this tradition, the answers to spiritual questions are to be found within not without."
It's easy to see how the two became so intertwined when you recall such sayings as "the kindom of God is within each of you. In fact, if current trends are anything to go by, gnostic belief is increasing, even more so within the younger populations of the world..although they seem to peg it under the term of "Goth" or "Occult"..two terms, the roots of which lie in totally different areas entirely.
It seems to be "cool" today to tune into all things paranormal, everything from ghost hunting to ufos..and attach some almost spiritual meaning to the same, when in reality, these things have and always will remain within the paramiters of the world of science, even if viewed as being sudo-science at best.
In short, what we have today in the form of the Bible, is what some thought was the best form of depicting Christ to those they wanted to be "followers" within the confines of the church and we should try to keep this in mind at all times. After all, what we have been handed down to us is nothing more than a written representation of a man like no other who have come before or sinse..a verbal portraiture that has been handed down through the ages..only to re-written by the "ghost writers" of the church into what we have today.
But does it all really matter in the end?
I don't think so..because you either believe in Jesus Christ or you don't..and in both cases the "who did what or when" to the Bible does little to change the fact of how you feel deep inside..and that's how it should be after all, if belief is to have any sort of meaning in this world.
Dan
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Great posts Jding and Dan 

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Of course it must be metaphorically. The opposite would be kinda kinky, not to say incestoid...
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